The Utah Patriots Think Tank!

Here’s the thing.  I was thinking today about how much of the Federal budget is spent on welfare type programs (60+%) and I thought rather than talking about it why don’t we start coming up with our own solutions to problems.  Let’s all get together, throw out ideas on how we would solve things and then we can help correct each other’s ideas where we see issues or mistakes, etc.  Maybe, just maybe together we can come up with a solution good enough that we pass it on to the right people.

So, here’s my first ‘Think Tank’ thought.  Believe it or not I think we could eliminate the welfare program by changing the unemployment program.  Here is how I would build the unemployment program.  First, you only get what you pay into it.  So, when you get your first job at 16 you would sign up for an unemployment program.  These programs would not be under the Federal Government but rather under a private entity, such as a bank, credit union, etc.  These would be interest bearing accounts, and the free market would control them (and completely tax free of course.)  Obviously we don’t want anything forced upon anyone so people can opt out should they wish, but this safety net/savings account is something that would be strongly recommended.  To ensure that most people do take advantage of the program, we would give strong tax incentives to the employers to essentially ‘co-pay’ into the accounts for their employees.  This can be an added benefit for the employee, and when I say tax incentive, I mean that the business will not lose a dime from this, not just slightly lessen their burden.  So, as a person goes through life paying into this account (that is theirs) and it accrues interest the account builds.  Then one day the employee loses his job.  All this employee needs to do to take advantage of their account is simply prove to the bank they lost their job.  They will then be able to begin receiving payments out of their account at whatever rate they see fit knowing that the amount in the account is the only amount that will be available to them.  Once that account is empty, their SOL.  This does a few things.  First, no money is being wasted by the Federal government or bureaucracy, nor is it controlling our money that is for our benefit.  It is also not being spent on someone else who hasn’t earned or worked for that money.  Second, this safety net is actually earning money for the employee.  Also, by knowing the exact fixed amount, that person knows how long they can survive without work and will be properly motivated to find a job.  Should that money run out, they just don’t get anymore.  With no welfare program to fall back on, they’re going to make sure they find a job.  The employee would not need to prove they are looking for work, or any other bearcatic waste of money and time.  Besides, most people are going to want to draw as little from that account as they can.  Once they retire, they can fully draw the money out of that account and put it with their own retirement account, or have that account simply make payments to them until it is depleted.

So, I can’t explain it quite as well as I can visualize it in my head (I’ve never been accused of being a ‘Great Communicator’ (like someone who stammers every other word and is somehow called a Messiah) but I think I’ve gotten the bulk of the plan explained.)  So, what does everyone think?  Shoot some holes in it, tell me what you like, what you don’t like, how you would change it, etc.

Let's get this think tank off the ground and do maybe 1 topic a week?


Posted Jun 23 2008, 12:30 PM by mefree

Comments

Splittfinger wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-23-2008 2:13 PM
Starting with the umemployment is a good idea, i will have to think for a while to see if i can come up with any loopholes in that plan.

I'm going to think about this and see what i can come up with.
Splittfinger wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-24-2008 1:48 PM
as i thought about this, i thought i should put my plug here from small business.

As a small business owner, i'm shocked at how much crap and taxes the small business owner is faced with.  The government has made it increasingly difficult for the business to create new jobs.  People that "truthfully" would like to get a job and get off welfare programs would have a lot more options to work, if we had an abundance of jobs.

Which brings me to my second point.  Illegal immigration.  I have heard many say that the illegals do the jobs that americans won't do.  This is fundimentally incorrect.  American immigrants have been doing the jobs for 100's of years and would do them again.  Easy to come by, labor jobs, are great for entry level teens and the unemployed.  It may not be a glamorous job, but, it would at least teach the young kids some work ethic.  Having recently been unemployed, if i could go get a dish washing job to make ends meet, i would be right on it.

I have nothing against immigration to this country.  I do have issues with people illegally entering and employers to give jobs to them to save a few bucks.

Maybe if taxes on a small business weren't so high, they coulld afford (at least) minimum wage to hire legal citizens??

I think we would pass out if we saw the amount of this welfare budget that goes to illegal support.

So in summary.

The government needs to make it less difficult for a small business to succeed, and more difficult for illegal immigration to succeed.
Splittfinger wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-24-2008 1:54 PM
also, helloooo??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371025,00.html

"Mounting economic worries haven't stopped Americans from donating to charities. Charitable giving hit a record in 2007, topping $300 billion for the first time, the Wall Street Journal reports"

If these awesome charitible Americans would put this money toward local charity cases, and slightly less over seas.  That would be awesome.  A lot of times, we assume, as Americans that people over seas need more help that other Americans.  We should take care of ourselves first, so we can more abiliy take care of others.

Kind of like putting your own oxygen mask on, before putting it on your child.
Desechado wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-25-2008 12:27 AM
A savings program for unemployment??? Hmmm. Sounds familiar. The LDS Church has stated that we need to have a few months of our earnings (I understand the amount to be 3 months--pleased correct me if I'm wrong) in a liquid savings program in case of unemployment, illness or serious injury. I'm all for that. The only obstacles are those who are too inept to save (or even try) and those who cater to and feel sorry for them and tell the rest of us that we have to make up for the rest through taxes and social programs.

Anyway, the way I see it, the savings program already exhists. The problem is that it isn't socially acceptable to be self reliant and accountable for ourselves.
Rcougar wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-25-2008 11:03 AM
I like what you have I think it could work, if this was done it would help people be more self reliant. I like the idea that it would be my money not someone elses to use. Good idea.
mefree wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-26-2008 12:23 PM
Desechado, you are correct.  This is definietly not a new concept.  That's rather the point.  We should be using the plans that work, that we know work, have a proven track record they work.  Why do they work?  It requires people to be self reliant.

I know, how dare we right?

So, what changes can we make to what I proposed to give it a shot in the real world?  Esssentially what holes do we need to plug, and how do we explain it in such a way as to make it something presentable?
Desechado wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-26-2008 5:58 PM
Propaganda! We need as much or more propaganda as those who promote the "take care of me" attitude. Somehow we need to make it "cool" to be self-reliant.
mefree wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-26-2008 11:34 PM
Ok, sounds good.  Can you provide some examples of the propoganda, or what type, etc?
Desechado wrote re: The Utah Patriots Think Tank!
on 06-27-2008 9:24 PM
First off, we need high profile sports guys (football and basketball would be best) to start taking a positive stand for  personal accountability. These would have to be the Kobe types and would have to live their lives accordingly. Those who look like businessmen or returned missionaries (Steve Young, Eli & Peyton Manning, Tiger Woods, etc) won't do. These guys need to portray a wild side that will appeal to the masses.

Next we need to have "cool looking" actors do personal accountability commercials. The hottest women in Hollywood and the music world would do best. Not only do they need to make the men of the world want to be with them, but these men will want to emulate responsiblility. These women would also drive all the young women and girls of this world to be just like them... responsible.

The tough guys (the Ice Cube and Steve McQueen types) need to talk about personal accountability while acting tough.

Now that I laid out the plan, do you really think the people who fit the profile would join our propaganda?
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